I’m Finally Responding: Part II

This is Part 2 of my response to your questions from the 2013 Blog Survey.

Click here to read Part 1.

I know that several years ago you paused your ministry of planting organic churches to focus on helping the poor and give attention on your more general ministry of the deeper Christian life. Are you still in that season or have you resumed your work with organic church?

For those who are new to the blog, two years ago I announced that my ministry was shifting focus. I’ve not been involved in “organic church” since that time. That includes planting new churches, encouraging and equipping existing ones, and writing books on the subject.

In fact, I’ve not written a book on ecclesiology since 2009. And the last church I planted was in 2010, four years ago.

Instead, my writing focus has been on “The Deeper Journey.”

Much of my time “on the ground” is spent helping the poor and developing relationships with non-Christians, which takes a lot of time.

So Frank Viola shouldn’t be considered “the organic church” guy. Most of my books aren’t on that topic, and the same is true for my podcast episodes and blog posts. In fact, I’ve only written 3 books on that topic!

Jesus Manifesto really sumps up the heart of my ministry and my contribution to this generation.

My burden is for evangelical Christians to learn the deeper things of Christ — moving beyond the shallows of the faith — and to treat one another the same way they want to be treated in all situations (Matt. 7:12). That’s why this blog is called “Beyond Evangelical.” My book by the same name goes into detail on this topic.

Someday I will return to planting organic expressions of the church and working with Christian communities, but I’m not sure when that will be. It could be 5 to 10 years from now.

What is your view of universalism?

If by “universalism” you mean that God will save everyone in the end, without repentance and faith in Christ, then I disavow it. I hold to the orthodox creeds of the Christian faith. 

What would your advice be to someone who left the organized church but for certain reasons has been called back to it for a season? Looking for some perspective. Trying to be obedient and love the people, but finding it easier said than done in a setting I find difficult to handle.

I’ve never encouraged a person to leave the institutional church nor have I ever encouraged someone to leave a non-institutional church. I’ve always maintained that leaving or becoming part of a local assembly — regardless of the type — is a decision that you (and your spouse, if you’re married) should make before the Lord.

I add more to this question in my post How (Not) to Leave a Church. 

I’ve always been impressed with your ministry since I found out that you don’t profit personally from your books and don’t require an honorarium when you speak. This is pretty much unheard of today. What do you do for your personal income then?

I’ve done different things over the years from construction work, teaching high school, to writing software for a mortgage company, to real estate investing. At the moment, my part of the family income today comes from advertisers and affiliates on my blog, something that any blogger – no matter what their faith persuasion is – can do if they have enough readers. (I only allow advertisements on the blog for products and services that I believe are valuable to others or that I use myself.)

I also do seminars to help bloggers and writers (of any type or faith genre) to earn income from their writing passion. While I don’t profit personally from my own book sales, I have no problem with the Stephen Kings, Anne Lamotts, Max Lucados, etc. who do. I’m also involved in an electronics business with a friend. It helps people save money by buying quality (reliable and enduring) electronics at a discounted price.

As a Christian businessman, I’ve grown weary of Christians who have a distorted idea of money, marketing, and selling. Have you ever written on this topic? 

Yes, and the problem is pervasive. I’ve addressed it in the following:

An Embarrassing Confession About Money

Interview with Ray Edwards

FAQ – the October 6, 2011 question and answer

Frankly Speaking – “I Don’t Like Christians”

If anyone goes over the above links with an open mind and heart, it will do a lot toward solving the problem that you speak about. 

What do you say about the current trend to return to “Hebrew roots?” 

If by “Hebrew roots” you mean the trend for Gentile Christians to begin observing Jewish customs and rituals, then I have two points to make.

1. Learning the story from Abraham to Jesus . . . and learning Second Temple Judaism . . . helps us to understand the Jesus Story. I’ve argued for and even demonstrated this in Jesus: A Theography and The Untold Story of the New Testament Church.

2. But when it comes to making the observation of Jewish customs obligatory based on a notion of “Hebrew roots,” I believe this is misguided. As I explained in From Eternity to Here, the Christian’s roots precede Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They go back to eternity past where we were chosen in Christ “before the foundation of the world.” We are part of a new creation, which is neither Jew nor Gentile.

Jesus of Nazareth, our founder and head, was Jewish in His physical body. But His roots are eternal. He is the head of the new creation, which is neither Jew nor Gentile.

So for the Christian, our roots aren’t Hebrew. They are part of something that extends far before. “Before Abraham was, I Am,” Jesus said. Those are the true roots of the Christian. The book of Hebrews addresses this as well. Our high priest is after the order of Melchizedek, not Aaron.

Anyone who is into “Hebrew roots” needs to get immersed in the letters of Ephesians and Colossians. See also A letter that dropped out of heaven. 

Have you written on how to conduct a new gathering or even how to start one? 

Yes, in Finding Organic Church. That’s one of my 3 books on body life. ;-)

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Comments

  1. Cody D says

    Frank,
    Thank you for your ministry and your passion for Jesus. It truly has blessed my life and led me to a deeper journey with Him.

    I had a question and assume that you have probably addresses it somewhere in your blog stash somewhere! Ha

    The particular “tribe” I was raised in and now minister with and to, has a very staunch view on women’s role, and instrumental music. I’m sure you’ve guessed the tribe! Ha I have found it very hard for God’s spirit to move in this environment. Do you have any thoughts about this, suggestions, study, or a gun! Haha thank you.

    • says

      The question about women is answered in one of the parts of this very series. Please read them all. There are 5 parts. This is part 2. The bit about musical instruments is based on “silence of the scripture” which is a silly doctrine that’s not livable. There’s nothing in the NT forbidding musical instruments and the text in Ephesians and Colossians about singing Psalms have in a view a song accompanied by a strumming instrument. If one holds this doctrine, they would have to believe — and prove — that musical instruments are evil in the mind of God. Not only can this not be proven anywhere in the Bible, but those many (most or all) who teach this doctrine listen to “secular” music with instruments. So they don’t really believe the doctrine themselves.

  2. Joshua McAfee says

    I was reading some comments on Facebook yesterday and Romans 11 and Hebrew roots was brought up. You had said you had a answer about that. Could you please share?

      • Joshua McAfee says

        I was wondering how do you view Romans 11? Also I have been wondering about the whole end times thing. Since I am starting to question the whole rapture doctrine I was always taught, how does Israel play into that? I am just trying to figure out how this whole things plays out as best as I can.

        • says

          You must be new to the blog. I just answered the rapture/second coming question. See the archives: http://frankviola.org/archives – Romans 11 is a very long chapter. It doesn’t overturn anything I said in my response to Hebrew roots (I assume you read my full response). If you can narrow your question down to a very specific, I will try to answer it.

    • says

      It’s the idea that the church has replaced Israel. I don’t buy it. What I teach, along with N.T. Wright, is that the story of Israel has been fulfilled and replayed in the story of Jesus Christ, which includes His Body.

      Len Sweet and I wrote a 400+ page book making this very point from Genesis to Revelation. It’s called “Jesus: A Theography.” http://frankviola.org/JesusChrist – Christ can be found on virtually every page of the Old Testament in type and shadow. And so can His Body.

      • Gaynor says

        Sally, this book is AMAZING and really helped me formulate some new thoughts. I highly recommend it! ~Gaynor

  3. says

    Thanks for sharing your heart, Frank! I appreciate your openness and your viewpoints. After reading the Bible, I too came to believe that we need to see beyond Israel to the eternal roots of Christ. Thanks for being willing not to fit the popular Christian mold.

  4. Keith Fife says

    Frank, I read and follow very few Christian writers and speakers but you my brother are an exception. When I read your books, blogs, or listen to a podcast I sense humility and a real presence of God’s Spirit in your words. Thank you so much for being a continual inspiration to me and I’m sure thousands of others! You have made a difference in my walk with the Lord. May God continue to bless you and use you to help others go “deeper” in the “journey!”

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